Goalposts

Hacker News has set AI a lot of challenges over the years. Which ones has it met?

2025 Septemberewoodrich

About whether today's LLMs meet Moravec's 1997 standard for machines having minds.

Interestingly, Moravec also stated: "When the highest peaks are covered, there will be machines than can interact as intelligently as any human on any subject. The presence of minds in machines will then become self−evident

We pretty much have those today so by 1997 standards, machines have minds, yet somehow we moved the goalposts and decided that doesn't count anymore

What you describe as "moving the goalposts" could also just be explained as simply not meeting the standard of "as intelligently as any human on any subject".

Even in the strongest possible example of LLM's strengths applying their encyclopedic knowledge and (more limited) ability to apply that knowledge for a given subject I don't think they meet that bar. Especially if we're comparing to a human over a time period greater than 30 minutes or so.

An AI interacts as intelligently as any human on any subject, including over periods longer than 30 minutes.

Has this happened?

Yes 38 (33%)Not sure 23 (20%)No 53 (46%)

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